Well, the dealer actually scanned the error code with their HiScan device and gave that report on faulty sensors and driveshaft.
I didn't ask any local garage for a quote but will do and see what they demand.
|
The scanners don't tell you squat, unless you know how to interpret the information.
On my Accent the check engine light started to come on intermittently. Takes it into the dealer, they diagnose "low catalytic efficiency", and tell me the car needs a new cat, and sensor. Total cost £400.
Hmmm, thinks I. I'd been thinking that the exhaust note was a bit raspy, so I took it to my usual backstreet place, and lo and behold it was a leaky gasket holding the front part of the exhaust to the cat itself, causing a leak of exhaust fumes and a lowering of pressure. Garage does a decent "bodge" repair to the exhaust, total cost £30. Twenty minutes' work.
They noticed the leak in the exhaust straight away, much as I had -- where I went wrong was not making the mental link between noisy exhaust and engine light, which in retrospect I should have done. The dealers were planks in this instance.
|
I disagree with Dynamic Dave here. Why would it invalidate your insurance? I guess the question is, in law does having non functioning ABS count as having defective brakes? I don't think it does, as ABS is a supplementary system that is designed to fail safe, and it says as much in the manual.
Were you to have a serious accident, no accident investigator would be able to say that the outcome would have been any different if the ABS was working. If you were driving your car around in 'limp home' mode because of an engine fault would you expect your insurance to be invalid if you had a crash? Nah!
Good points by others re the MOT regs tho...taking the light out might not get it through, but you know what MOTs are like, fail at one place, pass at another-depends which way the wind's blowing.
Re the poster with the Primera-sounds like your ABS is normal-as another poster said, try doing a full emergency stop, if the wheels lock your ABS is not working right. On the Primera the ABS system does a mechanical test at startup and then at something like 6mph so that is what you are hearing. The one fault Primeras do seem to suffer from is cracked ABS rings-the symptom of this is the ABS triggering when it shouldn't-driving over a bump in the road at low speed for example when you aren't even braking. Although this doesn't normally light up the warning light.
|
"Were you to have a serious accident, no accident investigator would be able to say that the outcome would have been any different if the ABS was working."
I bet they could, particularly if the road was wet. That's when ABS is very useful. Whether they would is a different matter.
|
I see your point; but enough to have an effect on your insurance? Too many variables.
If you crash whilst breaking the law, does it invalidate your insurance? Of course it doesn't. By definition unless it is someone elses fault even single vehicle crashes usually have enough evidence for Careless or Due Care convictions...doesn't invalidate your insurance does it?
Why would non functioning ABS, which isn't even a crime, invalidate your insurance?
|
You may well be right but I wouldn't wish to be the one defending such a position in a Court of Law.
Isn't there something in one's insurance about keeping the car according to the manufacturer's specification? If so then the insurance could argue the car isn't according to spec.
Just some thoughts, may not be right...
|
By that argument, you haven't changed the specification. The vehicle has developed a non safety critical fault that you may or may not have rectified in due course. Equipment on the car going faulty is not changing the specification.
That said, I appreciate your point about not wanting to have to defend such a case in court-neither would I. But this is the real world-if you own a 7 yr old car that is worth peanuts, you don't want to, or can't afford, to shell out £700 for repairs. Don't get me wrong, if it was a serious defect like a bald tyre, broken suspension, brakes that didn't stop the car properly you would HAVE to get it sorted or not drive the car. But in reality driving with non functioning ABS I would be happy to do-a worth while risk is my argument.
Whether OP will get it through an MOT or not is another matter...and let's face it. If you are involved in a serious accident then you either caused it, or were the victim. Either way I doubt your non functioning ABS is going to have any real bearing on either the sentence or the cost of nexts years insurance.
|
But what you do have here is culpability.
Two scenarios.
1/ Your ABS fails, you have an accident, the accident would not have happened (or the effects would have been less) if your ABS was working. Your fault? nope.
2/ You know your ABS does not work and have chosen to ignore it, you have an accident, the accident would not have happened (or the effects would have been less) if your ABS was working. Your fault? OH YES. Because you knew, becuase you chose to ignore it, it now becomes a deliberate action on your part. You are responsible, you are culpible.
If the accident is someone you knocked over and killed, and the police can prove you disabled your ABS warning systems, becuase you knew they were defective, this becomes a premeditated act, you could and possibly would go to jail for manslaughter, possibly even murder.
Its no different from the bloke in jail becuase he had too little sleep, knew he had too little sleep yet still drove, and drove onto the railway tracks killing 7 people.
------------------------------
TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
|
If the accident is someone you knocked over and killed and the police can prove you disabled your ABS warning systems becuase you knew they were defective this becomes a premeditated act you could and possibly would go to jail for manslaughter possibly even murder.
Rubbish. Total scaremongering.
Having ABS is optional. The law doesn't say you have to have it, nor maintain it. You can remove it from your car if you wish. The law DOES say you have to have effective brakes. That is, the brakes must be strong enough to stop the car in a reasonable distance. As long as you are driving with brakes that work, you will be fine.
As for the ABS light being monitored for correct sequence at MoT... if you had a spare microcontroller laying around and knew how to program, you could get the ABS light to flash in the correct sequence rather easily. :)
|
pendulum
Having ABS is optional.
Correct.
>>The law doesn't say you have to have it...
Correct.
>>..... nor maintain it.
Incorrect. If fitted, it must work, or the car is deemed unroadworthy by VOSA. Knowingly driving an unroadworthy car....
You can remove it from your car if you wish.
If you wish to remove it; you must inform your insurers that the car has been modified from it's original specification. An insurer's loss adjuster gets paid by results; non-disclosure would be a gift.
|
>The law doesn't say you have to have it...
It's a legal requirement since a couple of years now on all new cars. Once on it has to be maintained.
You can remove it from your car if you wish.
Not if was built after the implementation date.
|
It's a legal requirement since a couple of years now on all new cars. >> You can remove it from your car if you wish. Not if was built after the implementation date.
He states in his OP it's an X reg.
|
|
Car insurers insist you maintain car to a safe standard.
They insist you declare modifications...
and you all think they will still pay out if you neglect to repair a braking fault?
Because having found ABS not working, it will be a fine toothcomb job and they will find another safety issue sure as eggs is eggs.
Anyone driving like that is living - imo - on a different planet -- life is complicated enough . What happens if the police inspect the car?
madf
|
most cars out of the factory without ABS have a pressure release valve of some description on the back wheels, to prevent the back wheels locking first under heavy braking from high speed
ABS cars do not have such release valves, as they are not needed to solve this problem as the ABS itself will ensure the rear wheels do not lockup
ABS cars with failed ABS may "failsafe" to working brakes with no ABS, but that is no ABS without the normal pressure release valve on the rear wheels, and that means the rear wheels are much more likely to lock sending you out of control
i wouldnt risk my or my families life in this way
|
@retgwte
What you are saying re proportioning valves is simply not true-even cars with ABS have these pressure limiting valves installed-if the ABS was doing the job that pressure limiting valve is doing in a non ABS car then presumably you would regularly feel the ABS kick in under normal braking...ABS cars have this valve also.
As for all this talk of manslaughter raps, and wouldn't risk your families life etc etc. What you are talking here is absolute worst case scenario..it isn't likely to happen. Driving a car with failed ABS is no less safe than driving a car that didn't have it fitted in the first place-if you can't afford that £700 bill and can get it through the MOT, I wouldn't worry about it-chances of it going pear shaped are slim.
|
Question - If ABS is fails to safe, why is it an MOT fail if it is not working?.
|
Martin
Question - If ABS is fails to safe why is it an MOT fail if it is not working?.
Anyone who regularly buys brake components knows the question: "Has it got ABS?" from the parts person. Why do they need to know? Because ABS brakes are different.
As has been correctly stated above, an ABS braking system is designed around the capabilities of the electronics. This allows larger/more potent brakes to be fitted than would otherwise be prudent. The ABS is always there to catch any over-application.
Without functional ABS they could lock prematurely and catch out the unwary. That's why a basic check of ABS functionality is in the MOT test.
|
Later this week I shall ask a local mechanic to have a look and re-check exactly what happened.
When I was explaining this problem today morning he told me that in case of any ABS problem the orange (ABS) light on dash should glow and NOT the red brake light warning light.
From which year all cars started fitting ABS?
|
From which year all cars started fitting ABS?
It became mandatory on cars sold in Europe to have ABS after 1st July 2004.
www.autofinder.ie/asp1/afmain.asp?lnk=101&id=277
|
As has been correctly stated above an ABS braking system is designed around the capabilities of the electronics. This allows larger/more potent brakes to be fitted than would otherwise be prudent. The ABS is always there to catch any over-application. Without functional ABS they could lock prematurely and catch out the unwary. That's why a basic check of ABS functionality is in the MOT test.
Not sure I understand the logic here. I've never driven a non ABS-equipped car that couldn't be made to lock its wheels, so what would be the point of fitting 'larger/more potent brakes'?
|
|
|
|
|
How the hell can an electronic diagnostic tool tell you there driveshaft is faulty?
|
This is exactly what Hyundai dealer wrote on the report.
"Carried on diagnostic check on brake warning lights, hi scan shows faulty ABS sensors on front wheels and o/s pick up cracked - vehicle will require at least one drive shaft plus ABS sensors on front."
|
I found the following FAQ at www.motester.co.uk/mot-qanda3.html
ABS WARNING LIGHTS
My car is fitted with an ABS system. The warning light has come on and the ABS doesn't work although the brakes work fine. Will this be acceptable for passing the MOT or must the ABS be working if fitted? Many thanks.
Hi, my father has a toyota celica 1.8, the MOT has expired And he's been trying to get it tested. He recently took the car to a Toyota dealer for a service prior to the MOT expiring. The service was carried out but the dealers cannot diagnose what is causing the ABS light to remain on. Despite two hours of testing/fault finding the problem remains unsolved, yet the ABS
system is fully operational. Despite the clean bill of health will it still pass an MOT with the light Illuminated? Mike
I bought a car with the extra option of ABS.
The ABS has failed as shown by the ABS warning light.
The basic function of the brakes is unimpaired.
Would the car fail its MOT just because the ABS is non functional ?
Thank you. Stan
I am sorry to say that the regulations here are very clear. If there is a problem signalled by the ABS light, then that is an MOT failure. The Testing station would have no discretion at all.
The ABS system will have a special sequence of warning lights when the ignition is switched on to indicate that the system is functioning correctly. That is tested for the MOT. The ABS as such is not tested. So if, as a result of your ABS failure the warning lights show an incorrect indication, then that will result in an MOT failure. - MOTT
It does sound like there is a more general braking problem with this Hyundai though and the fact the red warning lights are on.
Is there low fluid level, leaking seals or are the pads worn so low the fluid level has dropped in the reservoir to trigger the red light ?
|
It's a legal requirement since a couple of years now on all new cars. Once on it has to be maintained.
I'm extremely cautious about doubting our new stick wielder, but is it "a legal requirement"
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansr...m
"Given the almost total coverage achieved by the industry commitment, the Department will not be seeking the compulsory fitting of ABS in new cars."
|
abs is compulsory on all new cars which are mass produced
there is an excemption for cars built in small numbers, TVR etc tend to use that excemption
you wouldnt know your rear wheels locking was a problem unless you have done an emergency stop from high speed
get it fixed
|
|
|
|
|
|
