Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Hi guys

I currently have a 2000 MX5 and like every other MX5 the rust is getting to it. Its got its MOT coming up and I am not as confident that it will get through this year! If

That's why I've started thinking about what I replace it with. In 2017, I spent around £3K on it and its clearly been money well spent and it's been pretty cheap motoring since. If I am honest I don't particularly love the car, it's become a tool. So here's are my key requirements for the next car:-

  • Fun - the last car that I truly loved was my Smart Roadster. It was the most unreliable car I have ever owned but I loved it in equal measure. I loved just going out for a drive. I don't do this in the MX5!
  • Automatic
  • Petrol as yearly mileage is about 5K.
  • I would prefer a Coupe but happy to go for a Convertible.
  • I find the MX5 steering a tad light. I just preferred how the Smart Roadster drove. The steering felt heavy and gave a better road feel.
  • I would prefer a more comfortable ride but I get most cars in this class are likely to be a more sporty ride.
  • I tend to buy for the longer term, so would hope to own for the next 5 to 10 years.

Any ideas folks?

Thanks

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - catsdad

How about a Toyota GT 86? A bit bigger than a pure two seater and will be 10 years old plus so a good one may take some finding. Not fast but designed for good driving feel and control.

Or an even older Honda S2000, it’s becoming sought after so will not be cheap.

You may have been spoilt by the MX5 though. It’s a go to choice for many..

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - badbusdriver

Or an even older Honda S2000, it’s becoming sought after so will not be cheap.

Pretty sure you don't get an automatic S2000

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks catsdad. I had thought about a GT86 and looked at a main forum for the car. From reading the forum there are too many stories of the engines blowing up and requiring a 4K engine rebuild. My suspicious is it probably effects the cars that were modded but that has put me off.

The S2000 was manual only. A number of imported Honda S660 are now in the country and a few are for sale but they tend to be at the 15K mark. Given they have been imported from Japan and are Kei cars they are small with 660cc engines. Too expensive, I probably wouldn't fit into one and probably too slow as well.

The MX5 has been mechanically sound but I just haven't bonded with it.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - badbusdriver

Didn't realise the Smart Roadster's were that unreliable, what was the problem/problems?

I ask because it seems the obvious choice would be another one, possibly a better and/or more sorted example?. After all, if the Smart Roadster is good enough for Gordon Murray...........!

Other than that, it is a tricky one. Comfortable ride but heavy steering, automatic but only two seats. Probably going to be limited to things like a Merc SLK or BMW Z4. But how comfortable they are is going to depend on what size wheel/tyre combo they have. Long term reliability might not be that great and you'd ideally want a decent independent specialist not too far away.

Edited by badbusdriver on 28/04/2024 at 10:03

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks badbusdriver.

So luckily I had one which was under warranty at the time. It leaked like a sieve and for me that blow up the SAM unit which was under the seat were the water flowed. A number of other sensors needed replaced. In my driving career, I have broken down 3 times. 2 of those times were in the Roadster!

From what I can see you can get a good example of a roadster for about £5k to 6K. They are getting on a bit now but there is a local smart specialist who is very well regarded. The problem is that I don't have a garage and it rains a lot where I live.

I realise I am probably going to have to comprise a bit and would probably be ok with a more sporty ride - I am after all doing only 5K miles a year. The roads were I live are really bad though.

Re the steering. The MX5 steering is really light and although I've used the term heavy to describe the type of steering I am looking for. Its probably more akin to normal, if you know what I mean.

Edited by newguy2015 on 28/04/2024 at 10:23

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - Adampr

You would be able to find a Toyota GT86 in your budget. It would be high mileage, but also a Toyota so that matters less. Also a Honda CR-Z.

It might be worth trying a Mini hatch, as they drive quite similarly to how you describe the Smart. There is a Mini Coupe (and convertible, and coupe convertible) but I've never seen the point as it's just the hatch with a lower roof.

You could buy a Renault Wind or a Vauxhall Tigra (or another Smart) for way below budget and keep the balance of your budget for repairs.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks Adampr

I don't think the CR-z was sold as an automatic in the UK. Although I've pretty sure I've seen a CVT imported from japan not that long ago.

The Wind was manual only and I've just done an autotrader search for a Tigra and all the ones on the market are currently manual. I am not sure if the Tigra ever came in automatic.

The Mini Coupe is a good shout and I will do some more research on that. There's a well respected mini specialist close by. Although I thought all minis of that era tended to use the peugeot engine that was not well regarded.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - Adampr

Thanks Adampr

I don't think the CR-z was sold as an automatic in the UK. Although I've pretty sure I've seen a CVT imported from japan not that long ago.

The Wind was manual only and I've just done an autotrader search for a Tigra and all the ones on the market are currently manual. I am not sure if the Tigra ever came in automatic.

The Mini Coupe is a good shout and I will do some more research on that. There's a well respected mini specialist close by. Although I thought all minis of that era tended to use the peugeot engine that was not well regarded.

I think you're correct on the CRZ, but why not buy an import? There is one on Auto trader for £8k.

You are correct on the Mini Coupe. That was more a side comment, as I don't know why anyone would buy one over the hatch (where the more.rcent 1.5 is OK). .

The problem here is that you're asking for something that possibly doesn't exist. Sports cars with an automatic gearbox are not that common due to the extra weight and blunted performance. People here will be reluctant to recommend anything with a dual clutch gearbox, so the field is limited further by excluding the one gearbox that is popular in performance cars.

If it has to be auto, which it sounds like it does, the best recommendation is going to be Toyota GT86 (or Subaru BRZ). I think it would be madness to discount it because some people on forums have managed to kill them. As you say, they are no doubt messing around with them trying to extract more power from an engine that is notoriously less than the chassis could handle.

The other obvious area of 'give' in your want list is the coupé/convertible aspect. Is it that important to you?

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - elekie&a/c doctor
Mercedes Slk from around 2010 will possibly meet all your criteria.
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks elekie

How reliable are SLK of this era?

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks Adampr

I wouldn't have a problem buying an import. Although the insurance would likely be a bit higher.

I've spent a bit of time looking at the Mini Coupe. Pretty cheap compared with other things that I've looked at, although I've come to your conclusion. It's just a mini with a lower roof.

Unfortunately, the automatic requirement is an absolute must.

I think part of me is struggling with how much money Toyota GT86 are going for.

Yes, I am really looking for a coupe/convertible

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
Being a Subaru flat 4 engine I believe changing the spark plugs in the GT86 is a pig of a job, rather expensive and thus neglected by most owners. I do get the appeal of these however. But many are abused and/or messed with so buyer beware. A good one would be a keeper though.
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - barney100

I had an SLK and it was good to drive even with the 220 D. I like the BMW 2 seater and the Audi TT, if a choice then the TT would be it for me.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks Barney

I'll be honest, I am not really a fan of how the TT looks and the DSG gearbox slightly worries me.

Hopefully Volkswagen/Audi have them sorted now. I'll be buying second hand and I'll have no idea how well its been looked after, so probably needs to be a no, just on the gearbox, rally.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
If it must be an auto then a Merc is a sensible choice, they do have a reputation for building robust gearboxes. On your budget and with your list of wants you’ll probably have to travel to find what you want. A longterm privately owned second car/toy is where you’ll find the best cars, most dealer warranties at this age/money are next to worthless anyway.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401285984449
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks Slo76

That is a nice looking Merc. I think it ticks most of the boxes.

I've no problem buying from a private seller and that probably makes most sense. When I bought the MX5, I previously bought from a specialist dealer that had a great reputation in the MX5 community. I think it worked really well, the guy was excellent and I had no problems. Also, due to his reputation, I was convinced if there had been any issues he would have got them sorted.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
Don’t think you could call it fun, but I quite like the Lexus IS250 Cabrio. Very well built, bulletproof engines and a bit different.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403197742124
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

I did do a search on Auto trader for Lexus SC430 but I am sure they will be reliable but came to the conclusion probably didn't work for the fun aspect.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
BMW build good automatic boxes too, normally I’d advise avoiding the 4cyl cars as they’re more likely to suffer timing chain issues than the better made 6’s, but this private sale car does look nice in the advert.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312054568111
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
Had a look around at Mk III MX5’s a few years back for myself but found rust was well into most of them. You do find the occasional summer use toy that’s in good condition but that’s a rare find. The auto despite the Powershift name is apparently an Aisin torque converter transmission with a good reputation, but there’s confusion online about this so I’d want to research it to be 100% certain that it wasn’t Fords rotten automated manual transmission. Mazda didn’t use it in any other car so I doubt they did here. A good one would be a brilliant little toy but I’d pay to have it fully undersealed if I bought one.

Edited by SLO76 on 28/04/2024 at 12:41

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

When I first got my MX5, I got it rust proofed and I topped up that treatment for a few years after. It was due for its next rust treatment during the pandemic and because of that it simply didn't happen and now it's really too late.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
I’m impressed it’s still in one piece at 24yrs old. I had a 1999 Mk II which I sold many years ago (for a profit) after two summers of enjoyment due to severe rust underneath. The local chap who bought it kept it for years after me though so he either had a very friendly Mot tester or deep pockets. Mechanically it was brilliant. Cost me £1475 including hardtop, sold it for £1600 two years later… motoring doesn’t come cheaper.

Edited by SLO76 on 28/04/2024 at 13:19

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

I think the key is that it had absolutely no tech in it apart from say the electric windows.

I don’t think any of the cars we are discussing in this thread will be running when they are 24 years old

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
Agree. I like the simplicity of the MX5, even later cars aren’t overly complex. A Mk IV in base spec with the rev happy 1.5 motor very much appeals to me, but sadly doesn’t fit in with my life.
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks for everybody's suggestions. I think the top contender has to be the SLK.

I am still going to put my MX5 through its MOT. It would be nice to get another year's cheap motoring but I suspect that's highly unlikely but I think I now have an idea of what car to get next.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - expat

Thanks for everybody's suggestions. I think the top contender has to be the SLK.

I am still going to put my MX5 through its MOT. It would be nice to get another year's cheap motoring but I suspect that's highly unlikely but I think I now have an idea of what car to get next.

Get back to us when you have got things sorted out and let us know how you went and if you did get anything else. There are a lot of people here who would be very interested to hear.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - Rerepo

SLK in that price range will be a money pit.

MX5 (NC - Gen III or ND - GenIV) use the same Aisin 6AT autobox, is branded by Mazda as powershift or Skyaktiv. Its actually basically the same box as used on Lexus IS - strong and good for 300HP.

Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ is a tough car. Don't rust much. Again an Aisin A series auto. Sparkplugs are easy for anyone with a bit of Subaru experience. Every 6 years/60k miles. Special Densos at about £60 for set of 4. I can change the set in 45 mins. A dealer will rob you blind.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks Rerepo

My mx5 has been mechanically very reliable but I just don’t love the car. Getting another mx5 without rust would be the most sensible option. But I just don’t want another.

I’ve done some research and there are a couple of well respected merc independents nearby. I do limited miles per year and I guess that it is a lot more likely that the slk will go wrong more often

I really like the gt86 but I’m concerned about reading too many reports about the engines going bang This is not what you usually hear about Toyotas. I do realise it is a boxer engine is a gt86 likely to be more reliable? Who knows. There are less of them around and they attract strong money

whatever I buy next I know that it is not going to be as reliable as my mx5. I just want to get something that I will enjoy and drive for the shear joy of driving.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
“ I really like the gt86 but I’m concerned about reading too many reports about the engines going bang This is not what you usually hear about Toyotas. I do realise it is a boxer engine is a gt86 likely to be more reliable? Who knows. There are less of them around and they attract strong money”

It’s a Subaru engine. I’m surprised about reports of engine failures, they rarely get it wrong with engines. The 2.0 boxer diesel in some Subaru’s is known for failures however (it’s not a good engine) but aside from head gaskets at around 100,000 miles Subaru petrol motors have a good reputation in the trade, though the spark plugs are a pain to change.

Possibly abused, neglected and/or modified cars are flagging up on forums as failures. They do tend to attract keen drivers, and many have been through a hedge or two so mucho caution is required when buying. Unlike the MX5 few are bought as a summer toy by older more sensible drivers, they like the wind in the hair/bald patch provided by the wee Mazda. The Mk III MX5 is a more solid and comfortable car than your MK II, I’d try one out before dismissing it. The steering wheel on the Mk II was too big too which felt a bit odd on a small sports car, the MK III has a nicer cabin, driving position and steering wheel. It just feels more substantial.
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Will do Expat. Thanks

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Quick update The MX5 passed its mot with the following advisories

  • Front Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (1.1.14 (a) (ii))
  • Oil leak, but not excessive (8.4.1 (a) (i))
  • Nearside Front Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))
  • Offside Front Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))
  • Nearside Rear Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))
  • Offside Rear Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))
  • Rear Sub-frame corroded but not seriously weakened (5.3.3 (b) (i))

The rear wings are also starting to rust.

So decision made I’ve got another year of cheap motoring. Hopefully in a year’s time car prices will also be lower but I’m probably brining optimistic with that one.

Thanks for everybody help

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - SLO76
I don’t think prices are going to plummet anytime soon, I’d use the time to hunt for a nice wee gem and with a good bit of Mot you’ll be able to sell the Mazda for something rather than it being sc*** value. It’s a positive position.
Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - Adampr
I don’t think prices are going to plummet anytime soon, I’d use the time to hunt for a nice wee gem and with a good bit of Mot you’ll be able to sell the Mazda for something rather than it being sc*** value. It’s a positive position.

And now, as the sun is beginning to creep out, is absolutely the time to put a cheap MX5 with a year's MOT in the market, particularly if changing to a coupe.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Interesting. I hadn’t really thought about selling the car.

A Quick Look at autotrader suggests the nice ones are around £2k from private folk. Mine is not a nice one. The paint work is in terrible condition and the rear arches are starting to rust, lots of bubbling

I suspect I might get between £500 and £1000 for it and at that level getting another years motoring out of it is probably a better option. Plus I could save another £5k towards the car budget.

Plus I could win the lottery and the car may get through the mot in 2025.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Ps I just put in the car details into we but any car and was offered £275!

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - John F

I don’t think any of the cars we are discussing in this thread will be running when they are 24 years old

That's because nobody has mentioned the reliable durable late model (Canley onwards) TR7 which, if cared for (preferably Ziebarted) from new like mine was (it's now 44yrs old), has outlasted thousands of rot-prone MX5s - which cease to be fun when the brown cancer becomes terminal. Plenty to choose from......

classics.honestjohn.co.uk/cars-for-sale/search/Tri.../

......and cheap to run as classic insurance is peanuts and there is no annual VED or MoT to trouble you. Motoring doesn't get much cheaper.

Edited by John F on 05/05/2024 at 16:23

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - Adampr

Oh, John, you do make me laugh.

Fun 2 Seater Sports Car between 6k and 10k - newguy2015

Thanks for the suggestion.

I have no problem driving an older car. The problem is, I do such a low mileage this car would be my daily driver and I don't have a garage to store it in.

The car would be out in all weather conditions and I just don't think this would work for me.